Monday Open Thread
Posted by SouthernGirl2_arch
on November 09th, 2009
Shout out–Shanti2 & The Field Negro!
From Wikipedia
Michael Rose (born 11 July 1957) is a Jamaican singer. Possessing a wide-ranged voice, Rose would regularly meet in Kingston with singers, musicians, writers, and producers such as Dennis Brown, Big Youth, The Wailers, Gregory Isaacs, Sly and Robbie, and others.
Rose started his recording career as a solo artist for record producers Yabby You and Niney the Observer. He joined Black Uhuru in 1977 after the departure of Don Carlos and Garth Dennis. He led them to international success in the early 1980s, having written most of their popular material. They won the first-ever Grammy Award for reggae in 1985 for the album Anthem, with the hallmark voice of Rose in the forefront.
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November 9th, 2009
Oh snap! Barney Frank and Ed Schultz are going at it! *grabs popcorn*
November 9th, 2009
They will be holding a boycott tomorrow as well….
At the memorial of Ft. Hood.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/1...
Umm…yeah….
November 9th, 2009
I know. It's a classic case of “the grave you dig for me will end up being your own”. Next year is the mid-term elections, and the Dems are gonna need all the money they can raise to fight two machines: The Republicans and the Mainstream Media. They may feel that the Dems are “throwing them under the bus”, but if the Repubs gain control, they will NEVER, EVER get DADT/DOMA repealed.
November 9th, 2009
Tell it!
The sobs trying to terrorize kids, including the first daughters.
The secret service need to pump some lead in their ass!
November 9th, 2009
This Will Now Get Very Big
by BooMan
Mon Nov 9th, 2009 at 09:16:28 AM EST
ABC News reports:
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.
One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.
CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress “to preserve” all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.
On Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.
This information is a bit hazy at the moment. We could be talking about another example of the intelligence community getting burned because they refuse to share information, or because they collect information without warrants, or because they misdiagnosed the threat this man posed and didn't move from investigation to some kind of disciplinary or legal action.
The hardest thing in the world is to tell a victim's family that you knew this guy was sympathizing with al-Qaeda and you let him continue in his job as an Army psychiatrist.
But even though ABC News is a reputable source most of the time, I want to see a statement from the administration before I believe this report is 100% accurate.
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2009/11/9/91...
November 9th, 2009
Oh damn…what happened?? I was listening to Abraham Boldin, first black secret service agent that worked the White House detail in 1961…FASCINATING, I have to find the clip or info on him to share…but in the meantime..what happened between Barney and Ed?? (sounds like a episode of Andy Griffith)
November 9th, 2009
I read Taylor Marsh sometimes, I was registered back during the primaries, but realized that if I ever started posting I'd be banned shortly thereafter, so I just lurked. LOL!!
November 9th, 2009
If the Repubs gain control they're liable to introduce sodomy laws back on the books. I wonder what fantasy world the likes of Avarois and his ilk are living in.
November 9th, 2009
Well if they wind up getting their asses kicked by a bunch of emotional soldiers………………I hope it hurts.
November 9th, 2009
Its outrageous. Leave those girls alone!
November 9th, 2009
Ahhhh..in sad separation news: Toni Braxton and hubby are separated.
http://www.essence.com/entertainment/breaking_n...
November 9th, 2009
Ooooh! Please post that clip! That sounds interesting!
Back to Ed v. Barney…I came in at the end, but Barney was basically telling Ed that he needs to get his facts straight on his (Barney's) position on Wall St. bonuses. It was very Whitney Houston “Watch what you say, baby girl. Just watch what tha f–k you say!”
November 9th, 2009
Excellent write up. Where's it from? Healthcare is about the long haul, just like social security was and continues to be.
November 9th, 2009
This just in! Take note of the anonymous sources.
Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops
Sources Tell CBS News Force Will Grow to 100,000 – Nearly Filling Gen. McChrystal's Request – with Long-Term Stay Planned
By David Martin
(CBS) Tonight, after months of conferences with top advisors, President Obama has settled on a new strategy for Afghanistan. CBS News correspondent David Martin reports that the president will send a lot more troops and plans to keep a large force there, long term.
The president still has more meetings scheduled on Afghanistan, but informed sources tell CBS News he intends to give Gen. Stanley McChrystal most, if not all, the additional troops he is asking for.
McChrystal wanted 40,000 and the president has tentatively decided to send four combat brigades plus thousands more support troops. A senior officer says “that's close to what [McChrystal] asked for.” All the president's military advisers have recommended sending more troops.
But they also have warned that troops alone will not win the war unless Afghan President Hamid Karzai cleans up his government.
“He's got to take concrete steps to eliminate corruption,” Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said last week. “That means you have to rid yourself of those who are corrupt. You have to actually arrest and prosecute them.”
The first combat troops would not arrive until early next year and it would be the end of 2010 before they were all there. That makes this Afghanistan surge very different from the Iraq surge, in which 30,000 troops descended on Baghdad and the surrounding area in just five months.
Fred Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute says a slow motion surge will produce slow motion results.
“If they're going to be sort of trickled in very slowly over the course of a year than it's unlikely to have a very decisive impact in the course of 2010,” he said.
The buildup would be expected to last about four years, until McChrystal completes his plan for doubling the size of the Afghan army and police force.
With 68,000 Americans already there, the Afghan surge would mean there would be 100,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan by the end of the president's first term.
The president is not expected to announce his decision until after he returns from China the week before Thanksgiving.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/09/world...
November 9th, 2009
I do not have a good feeling about this escalation..at. all.
November 9th, 2009
I'd like to hear from some rational LGBT community activists. Folks who are concerned about progress and not attention whoring.
November 9th, 2009
Jesus Christ!
November 9th, 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
November 9th, 2009
What up, Miranda! She banned me when they started talking about
primarying the President. I told them they could try that sh*t if
they wanted; Black folks would tear the Democratic Party down.
Sensitive haters!
November 9th, 2009
one sec . . . . . . .
ok – I'm back. Had to go get a grain of salt
November 9th, 2009
I am! Just busy. Glad to see you are!
November 9th, 2009
lol
November 9th, 2009
“if the Repubs gain control, they will NEVER, EVER get DADT/DOMA repealed.”
Sometimes I think . . .maybe they deserve to have the Repubs regain control
November 9th, 2009
Exactly, Val. Like I said, note the anon sources.
November 9th, 2009
“I'd like to hear from some rational LGBT community activists.”
Sepia – I have been looking myself. Cause I know these nut jobs can't truly represent that community. A close friend of mine is gay and he says he CONSTANTLY has to give his lgbt friends a beatdown and a reality check. So much so . . . he put himself on time out. Refuses to talk to them. Says they have lost their minds and are living in some alternate reality. lolol He cracks me up everytime.
November 9th, 2009
lol thanks for the earplugs. Now I am good to go.
November 9th, 2009
I had to send a message to the host of the radio show to ask when the clip would be up, it was FASCINATING.
I googled to find out more about him and will be buying that book
Abraham Bolden is his name, here's a piece the Chicago Defender did on him…it trips me out they used “African-american” as the way JFK said it when he asked him if he would like to come to work at the White House, on the radio he plainly said Kennedy asked if he would like to be the first NEGRO to come work at the White House. LOL..I guess the editor at the Chicago Defender edited just a lil too much.
http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-3261-fir...
This man's life story should be a movie. He was set up and sent to prison over his questioning the tactics and motives of the Secret Service at that time! He talked about how the agents treated him like mud and how much hatred there was for JFK on the inside….for one thing, Kennedy mandated that every government agency hire a black person and report back to him that they did – I never knew that. It was truly an interesting interview. I suspect the reason this book didn't get much press when it was first released was because it was during the height of the primaries and it got buried. One thing this man said was he didn't like the lapses he sees in President Obama's security detail, AT ALL. He's in his 70s but just as sharp as a tack!
November 9th, 2009
Shrilling like howler monkeys will commence from the melodramatic hippie crowd in 5….4….3…..2…..
November 9th, 2009
Some of the posters are not over the primaries STILL! Its like they cant get it thru their thick heads that Barack Obama WON FAIR AND SQUARE!
November 9th, 2009
Now here's an AP article that says something totally different. Note the anon sources:
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is nearing a decision to add tens of thousands more forces to Afghanistan, though not quite the 40,000 sought by his top general there, as Pentagon planners work to make room for the influx.
Administration officials told The Associated Press on Monday the deployment would most likely begin in January with a mission to stiffen the defense of 10 key cities and towns. An Army brigade that had been training for deployment to Iraq that month may be the vanguard. The brigade, based at Fort Drum in upstate New York, has been told it will not go to Iraq as planned but has been given no new mission yet.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, meanwhile, said the president would meet again on Wednesday with key members of his foreign policy and military team but was unlikely to announce final plans for Afghanistan until late this month, when he returns from an extended diplomatic trip to Asia.
Gibbs said the Pentagon is ''working on additional recommendations'' to present to Obama and that Obama has made no decision on troop numbers, or even on what the ratio should be between combat troops and trainers.
Military officials said Obama will have choices that include a phased addition of up to 40,000 forces over some six months or more next year, based on security conditions and the decisions of NATO allies.
Several officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision has not been made also said Obama's announcement will be much broader than the mathematics of troop numbers, which have dominated the U.S. debate.
Officials said a substantial increase in troops is all but inevitable, but the precise number is less important than the message that an expansion and refocus of U.S. commitment in Afghanistan would send.
It soon will be three months since Afghan commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal reported to Obama that the U.S. mission was headed for failure without the addition of about 40,000 troops.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because final plans have not been disclosed, dubbed the likely troop increase as ''McChrystal Light'' because it would fall short of his request. They also said addition small infusions of troops could be dispatched next spring and summer.
The more gradual buildup, the officials said, would allow time to construct needed housing and add equipment needed for transporting the expanded force.
Besides being sent to cities and towns, the new forces would be stationed to protect important roads and other key infrastructure.
Part of the debate leading to Obama's decision has been whether to move toward a more robust counterinsurgency strategy by attempting to retake territory from the Taliban insurgency and holding that turf while Americans work to rebuild and improve services for the population.
By using the new troops to protect cities and towns, the administration appears to be moving toward a middle ground that would deny Taliban advances on urban districts with the intention of shoring up support for the government of President Hamid Karzai.
That in turn would allow the fight against the Taliban then to expand to remoter regions.
With winter coming to Afghanistan's towering mountains, fighting could taper off as movement becomes difficult along the border with Pakistan. The Taliban has used the winter lull to resupply and regroup in years past, and the U.S. and a NATO-led alliance of countries fighting in Afghanistan are planning how to best place reinforcements for heavy fighting in the spring.
Obama has said the United States wants to leave behind an Afghan government that can control the Taliban insurgency on its own and prevent the militants from again hosting al-Qaida. Osama bin Laden and his top aides are believed to have fled into the rugged Pakistan border area where they have been hiding since the U.S. drove the Taliban from power in late 2001.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/09/us/p...
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In other words: Wait until President Obama makes the actual announcement.
November 9th, 2009
Aww! I'm sorry to hear that. Didn't he become her manager? If so, I wonder if that took a toll on the marriage?
November 9th, 2009
Thanks, Miranda!
November 9th, 2009
CraigHickman is the only one I've come across.
November 9th, 2009
That. Will. Never. Get. Old.
November 9th, 2009
The same thing happened to me at Taylor Marsh…she would ban me..because during the primaries I would smack down everything they had to say in support of HCR. I ripped her apart, and they had no comebacks…so I was banned.
I refuse to even lurk. I kept posting at TPM and HuffPo..then finally one day found JJP.
I linked to the site, when Baratunde wrote that scathing write up on why he did not support BillandHill and all the things they had done in terms of Bill not backing the judiciary when they wanted to repeal the draconian drug laws, and Hillary jettisoning Edelman and Bill jettisoning LaniGuanier…all those details along with my biggest ax to grind with HCR was her authorization to use military force.
TaylorMarsh though never accept diverse views, you were either on the Hill band wagon or out of there.
November 9th, 2009
(whispers “Katt Williams on that stuff”…..)
well, actually the news here is saying its not how it seems, so we shall see!
http://www.freep.com/article/20091109/ENT07/911...
November 9th, 2009
I do not have a good feeling about this escalation of troops. Particularly, when we are now learning the CIA is paying Ahmed Karzai, the President of Afghan's brother….and that the President is protecting his brother from investigation…as he charges high fees to drug trafficers.
This is very ugly, very dirty and it is about to get REAL nasty. It is shaping up to be a big lose for the USA.
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” allegations against Ahmed Wali Karzai, set out yesterday in The New York Times and attributed to current and former US officials, paint a picture of a shadowy potentate and powerbroker with a finger in every pie, whose fief is the south of the country, heartland of the Taliban insurgency.
They could not have emerged at a more awkward time for the Obama administration, as it approaches a critical decision on American troop strength in the country. That decision in turn will be heavily influenced by the outcome of the run-off between Hamid Karzai and Abdullah Abdullah, the former foreign minister, scheduled for 7 November.
After the uproar over the fraud-ridden original election that purported to return Hamid Karzai with an absolute majority of the vote, Washington is counting on the run-off to produce a government that commands trust across the country. That, many policymakers here argue, is an essential precondition if Barack Obama is to authorise the major troop increase sought by General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander in Afghanistan. The signs are that Mr Obama is leaning towards a strategy that would focus on protecting major population centres. This would require more troops than the 68,000 currently in Afghanistan, but not as many as the 40,000 extra or more requested by General McChrystal. But the calculations will inevitably now be even more delicate, amid the controversy over Ahmed Wali Karzai.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...
November 9th, 2009
Why are these pundits acting like not covering an elective abortion is the same as not covering a pap smear? Why are they acting like having an abortion is the same as having a mammogram? WTF is wrong with these folks?
November 9th, 2009
There are some decent gay activists out there. There's Lawdork.net. He's not a big fan of John Aravosis. Last time I checked Rod 2.0 was pretty decent, but I honestly haven't been to his site in a while.
This boycott is a joke. This is after the health care bill in Congress that was passed has an amendment to allow gay couples health benefits.
Such morons1
November 9th, 2009
***Staying ovation***
November 9th, 2009
“Says they have lost their minds and are living in some alternate reality.”
Well, of course they have and are…being gay demands you live in an alternate reality to begin with. When they get hypped the tawdry seams show and it just gets uglier and uglier.
As individuals homosexuals can be wonderful, engaging, enlightening and great to have as friends..but their politics simply suck
November 9th, 2009
No not me, I think it was Ogenec.
I'm a lover, not a fighter!
November 12th, 2009
Hey NMP–Great 2 See U! Please don't be a stranger!
…and I promise that there will be no comparisons to Judas…unless you earn it, lol, smile.